Yeah... no.
My first real problem with The Last Jedi was when I heard that The Force Awakens had to have its ending redone and cut short (Didn't you wonder why Mark Hamill had no lines?) because it conflicted with the opening of The Last Jedi.
Yes, you read that right, the endings conflicted. Because one follows hot on the heels of The Force Awakens. No time passes. At all. Did anyone even read the script for the first movie before making the next?
I think the answer is... no. Major threads that came up in the midst of The Force Awakens are cut abruptly, characters that have been built up with backstory (and even a whole novel in one case) are obliterated.
I blame writer and director Rian Johnson, the director of Looper, which is a different piece of crap movie.
Another interview with Daisy Ridley had her express surprise that JJ Abrams was coming back to direct Episode 9, even though he only wanted to restart the franchise. So, as of a few months ago, Abrams saw that this one had large sections of being fucked up.
Now, for the record, I went into the movie with everything spoiled. And I mean everything. I don't think I really missed all that much.
So, about five minutes after Rey finds Luke, the First Order is apparently taking over the entire galaxy. I don't see how that happens, since the galaxy is a big freaking place, and the First Order leadership is hot on the heels of the Resistance. We get a nice looking space battle (as dumb as most of the Star Wars battles, but looks good) as well as an interesting comedy routine that is very standard fighter pilot. The fleet is tracked through hyperspace, and a slow motion, sublight space chase happens... this would work in almost any other military SF, but not in Star Wars, sorry. This is not the time to apply logistics and physics.
Luckily for everyone Finn wakes up. Yes, remember the former storm trooper left in a coma at the end of the last film? He woke up a few minutes into this one. There was no real reason to have him in a coma in the first place. Seriously, did Johnson look at the last movie? Script notes? Story arc notes? Or did he just film his own movie and flip everyone else the bird?
Anyway, after an attack on the bridge that wipes out the entire Resistance leadership and puts Leia into a coma (yes, a coma. This would have been a great time to kill Leia and be done with it, but NOOOO, someone couldn't have done some editing and a month of reshoots to work around it), the fleet is handed off to Admiral Holdo, played by Laura Dern.
Now, one of the big things about the marketing around this movie is that Laura Dern was going to play.. gasp!... a Lesbian!!! If that's seriously and honestly how Dern played Holdover, then she must be homophobic, because Admiral Holdover was one of the creepier characters in films that I've seen outside of Silence of the Lambs. She reminds me more of Harry Potter's Dolores Umbrage than any Star Wars character.
Every time star fighter Poe asks Admiral Holdover what her plan is... she's passive-aggressive dismissive, like a deranged Mary Poppins. This forces Poe to come up with a plan of his own--originally suggested by Finn!--to get on board the lead First Order ship, disable the lightspeed tracking device, and enable the fleet to escape before it runs out of fuel (Funny, I don't recall fuel ever being a problem in all of Star Wars before). This leads to a space casino, pseudo-social commentary (it makes no sense by even SJW standards), and a Benicio del Toro cameo.
This entire subplot/s (could be one or two subplots, depending on how you slice them) is idiot, stupid, a waste of time, and could have been cut from the film without any problem. More on this later.
This subplot also includes a new character named Rose. The actress' career is toast. She is unlikable, annoying, and adds nothing to the story.
This is where I will disagree with Brian Niemeier in that this is a feminist telling of Star Wars, designed to make men look stupid. Why? Because Laura Dern looks like a total moron, got people killed, and needed to be throttled. If Brian was right, they should look super-competent. They don't. Sorry, Brian, this isn't about a feminist agenda. You know why? Because if they were doing that, perhaps more than ONE WOMAN IN THIS ENTIRE FILM WOULD BE COMPETENT. Leia? Out cold. Phasma? Idiot. General Purple hair? Idiot. Rose? Annoying. They don't even disguise it other than anything but ineptitude. Holdover is such a creepy little s**t that if they had a scene of her molesting Finn or Leia while in a coma, I wouldn't have been surprised.
Then again, Brian is basing his conclusions off of someone else's review.
Meanwhile, in another end of the galaxy...
This is where the story actually gets good. Yes, really. Luke Skywalker has become a crankier Obi-Wan. He is every idealistic young man who encountered reality, reality kicked his ass, and decided to hide. He's looked at the history of the Jedi and noticed that the Jedi aren't very effective in large groups. That part I have no problem with. It happens. Hell, it happens to me, frequently.
However, Luke also states that he had decided to slink off into isolation and die... Blink. I'm sorry, then what was the point of leaving people a map to find your sorry ass, Luke? (Thank you, Mr. Johnson, for not paying attention to The Force Awakens)
Anyway, the story goes on with a Rey-Luke-Kylo Ren story where we see massive improvements in both acting and storytelling. The film is almost entirely carried by their acting. I'm fairly shocked. We see what happened to Luke, and to the Jedi Academy he tried to establish. Rey actually gets some training-- and they point out that yes, she trains with melee combat. I wish they spelled that out some more, but oy.
The usual complaint here is "OMG! They're burning down my mythology"... Ahem. Guys, most of the mythology was rewritten and delivered by a British Catholic because Alec Guiness couldn't choke down the crap dialogue Lucas had given him. It's a lot of Eastern spiritualism thrown into a blender. All of the actual nihilism is espoused by ... the bad guys. So is most of the moral equivalency (after all, everything Obi-Wan said was true, from a certain point of view). Kylo Ren wants to burn everything down. Del Toro's con artist monologues on how everyone sucks... a speech I usually find given to bad guys.
The Rey arc ends with an epic battle that doesn't go exactly how you think it will. You'll find some elements copy and pasted from Return of the Jedi, though not not many.
Luke's arc ends in an epic little showdown that's Luke versus an army. Then Luke dueling Kylo Ren. It was awesome.
If I were to rate The Last Jedi, it's a problem. The Luke-Rey-Kylo stuff was fun. Even Snoke (whose CGI and makeup have improved massively) addresses some complaints of the last film, like referring to General Hux as a rabid dog, but he has his uses.
My major problem with The Force Awakens was that both Finn and Rey were not really mature. Considering that Rey grew up on her own, responsible for herself since the beginning, you'd think she'd be a little less school girl -- see the scene after they got away from Tatootine lite. when Finn and Rose are gushing. I'm sorry, Luke was supposed to be 16 or 18, and he was more mature. And it's not the actress, because I saw her in Murder on the Orient Express. The Last Jedi actually has Finn and Rey act like adults. How nice.
But when this movie is stupid, this movie is stupid. The slow motion space chase was unnecessary, so was Admiral Holdover, "Rose," or any of the stupidity with Leia.
The Last Jedi is two and a half hours long. Two hours of it is actually not too bad. When it's bad, it's terrible. When it's good, it's terrific.
It is not worse than the prequels-- there was no Jar Jar, the graphics were solid, and the acting from the main characters was actually good. Laura Dern and the actress playing Rose can't act, but if they were cut from the film, it might rate a 7/10.
It is not the best Star Wars film, since there are more plot holes than usual for a Star Wars film.
If a 5/10 was an average film, give this a high 6/10, bordering on 7, but doesn't quite make it. Better than anything in the prequel trilogy, better than The Force Awakens. Probably better than Ant-Man.
The following are mostly reasons why this film sucked, and you'll note that they are overwhelmingly a matter of problems with the annoying subplot mentioned above.
- Remember when I talked about threads that were taken and dropped by Rian Johnson? These include
- Rey's parents are ... no one interesting. Sorry. Yeah, that great big build up in the first one? Total let down. Was anyone paying attention to that dangling thread? At all?
- Phasma .... you know, Phasma was so overhyped, it was painful. "Oh, a female storm trooper commander!!!!!!!" Because someone had to, I guess. ' She had a very nice chrome storm trooper armor. She had a book dedicated to her back story and origins. They sold her helmet. There is such buildup.... for nothing. She wasn't interesting or stand out in the first film, and she was killed off after a few minutes of screen time in this film. She didn't even take her helmet off in either. It boils down to a great big: what's the point? Apparently, they even had a good actress for her. But no, she's dead. That's why I know that this wasn't written by a committee-- a committee would have been driven by the profit margins of having more Phasma material.
- The Force Awakens ended with Snoke wanting to train Ben Solo further. What happened to Kylo's further training? Doesn't happen.
- When the bridge crew is attacked, and the Resistance leadership is blown out into space... Leia goes flying in space. Even Rey can't lift rocks without training, but Leia pulls herself back in with the force? Are you stupid, Rian Johnson? Brain damaged?
- What was the point of Finn being in a coma if he's just going to wake up again?
- If I understand this correctly, Rey won the lightsaber fight because .... Kylo Ren was conflicted. Really? That's how they want to play that? How about "Kylo had a hole in his guts and was bleeding to death"? Isn't that a good reason?
- Laura Dern's Vice Admiral Holdo told no one her plan to ensure everyone's survival, so everyone came up with a plan without her. When Holdover blows off Poe's plan to get them through, she blows him off. He then mutinies. And you know what? No one gives a flying F*** about a FULL-SCALE MUTINY. Literally, no one cared that Poe had Holdover held at gunpoint. Apparently, she alienated everyone else. This is why you tell people what the hell goes on. God this subplot was stupid.
- As I said above, the entire Rose-Finn-Poe subplot was a waste of time. You know what was accomplished? Nothing. Rian Johnson clearly thought that there would have been a great big lull in the middle of the movie if they had just stuck with the drama and tension of Rey-Luke-Kylo, so he decided to have movement happen with Finn's visit to the casino planet. But it is a hamster going full speed on his wheel. Finn and Rose fail to disable the light speed tracking, they get captured, and what was the point again? This enables Finn to have a hand in killing Phasma, but that's it. It was a 30 minute subplot for 2 minutes of something interesting happening.
- Finn could have stayed in a coma without the plot being effected
- Rose and Holdo could have never existed, and they plot wouldn't have been effected.
- Oh, yeah, and they killed Admiral Akbar. For no reason.
- One of the main conflict's of Luke's arc is that he has the sacred Jedi texts from "a thousand generations ago." The main complaint is that he wants to destroy them because too much of the Jedi were stuck in the past ... Um, Guys? The Catholic church has a council every few hundred years or so, and the Jedi are running on texts from TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND YEARS AGO? And they're still in existence, despite being the Shakers, who bred themselves out of existence by... not breeding? Yeah. No. Heck, people, the Expanded Universe moved the Jedi forward by having Luke marry Mara Jade. So, what's the complaint?
As for my list of things they needed to do (in a seriously low threshold to make me happy)
- The First Order and the Resistance is still not explained within this film. We didn't need any for the Empire, but we were shown in the films that the Empire was done, defeated, kaput. WTF? And no, I'm not reading 10 Star Wars books to fill in the new cannon. I'm only reading Timothy Zahn. Period.
- Will someone explain who Snoke is or where he came from? Anyone?
- They at least TRIED to explain why Rey is a competent fighter.
- Why didn't anyone at least try to highlight how Rey became force aware? They did it in the lousy novelization.
Just thinking that they almost gave this guy a trilogy of his own really makes it clear that the folks at Disney really have no idea what they're doing. They saw none of these problems and still don't understand the audience backlash.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't bode well for the future of this franchise, at all.
Sadly, the biggest of the plot dickery (Planet Casino) could've been skipped with just a few lines of dialogue form Admiral Tumblr, instead of her looking like she didn't have a plan and was just winging it. Something to the effect of "yes, I have a plan, but given that they're tracking us through hyperspace there may be a security breach on this ship, so I'm not going to discuss it in the open" would've at least suggested to Poe that she hadn't just been given her admiralship from a certificate found in a box of Cracker Jacks.
ReplyDeleteAnd on another note, no comment about that stupid "die slowly" thing from Phasma after Finn and Rose were captured? Never mind that a beheading with a laser axe is probably not very painful or slow, that's pure "mustache twirling cartoon villain" material. Just execute them (and be entirely within their right, even ignoring the Empire and FO not exactly being obsessed with any Space Geneva Convention that may exist) and be done with it. They're dead either way, and the sooner they're executed the sooner they can get back to business with the Resistance.
That very last "they" referring to Phasma and her infantry, in case it wasn't clear.
DeletePreviews can't save a post if the writer has an idiot moment. :P
Heh. I was thinking the "kill them slowly" part was a tribute to "sharks with laser beams" in Austin Powers :D I guess Phasma is yet another character who was supposed to be a "Strong Womyn" but was forced to act stupidly by the script.
DeleteWHAT??? Oh nonononononononono, this movie was NOT better than the prequels, it was the equal of "Attack of the Clones" easy. (making it better than TPM but not as good as ROTS).
ReplyDeleteI'll rant more later, let's just break this down here.
1) Space battles - I think you're confused because while Star Wars wasn't realistic it was at least largely CONSISTENT. Now? They can't even do that. Let's even set aside how stupid the bombers were - where were they in the previous film? You know, the story that takes place immediately before this and had a plot about the Resistence needing to BOMB A PLANET. The First Order is chasing our heroes? Why not have some star destroyers hyperspace to a point in front of the Rebel's path and intercept them? Of course you might object that such a feat wouldn't be possible in real space, but remember, we've already established previously with those stupid bombers that this is, in fact, "narrative space" which means you have to pick one. If we're in narrative space, there's no reason the FO fleet can't intercept the fleeing rebels WITHIN EIGHTEEN HOURS. If we're doing realistic space then those previous bombers were the dumbest things ever on screen. Then! Then there is the hyperspace slam. If you really want it broken down, here's a 30min long rant breaking down all that's wrong with that using math:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKjc7CIpVtk
But there's a different problem with it alone: WHY NOT DO THAT EARLIER? REMEMBER HOW THERE WAS A FLEET? We even see ships get destroyed when they run out of fuel. So why not take one of those, evacuate (which you're doing already), and right before it runs out, turn it around and slam it into the fleet, WHICH YOU'RE ALMOST DOING ANYWAY!!!! And why are people left on board those ships? Why not stick droids or autopilots onto them? Or hey, remember how the movie establishes that it's the big, central ship being tracked? So why not spread the rebellion out to the other two (or more) large ships and have THOSE scatter while letting the big ship lead the FO onward as a distraction? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY DO! Except they decide it's better to waste larger resources I guess. Why bother with large capital vessels when we can cram everyone into cramped transports, am I right? Everything about this movie just screams "because the writer said so" which is definition 1 of bad writing.
2) And worse: NOTHING HAPPENS as far as the audience is concerned. 2.5 hours. TWO AND A HALF HOURS! And what's the state at the end of the film? Luke is dead? The audience went into this movie never seeing Luke, so what's changed for them? Snoke is dead? The audience only ever saw Hux and Kylo running the FO so again, no change for us there. The rebel fleet destroyed? Again, when did the audience ever see a fleet? As far as the audience is concerned, THIS ENTIRE FILM IS A WASTE OF TIME! You could entirely skip it and not hurt the story as this film ends pretty much where E7 ended too.
https://natewinchester.wordpress.com/2017/12/26/sw8-the-last-jedi-spoiler-free/
https://natewinchester.wordpress.com/2017/12/29/sw8-the-last-jedi-spoiler-review/
1) In your ranting, you seemed to ignore that I was pissed off with most of the BS that you already mentioned. So we mostly agree there. Though I'll remind you that Attack of the Clones had one good actor, this one had three ... four if you grant that Poe did the best he did with what he was given.
Delete2) Yes, and the Empire Strikes back was a giant chase movie. [Eye roll]
Actually, I liked this for the character that this had that the first one lacked. As in this one had any character. Period. Also, some nice lightsaber fights. And a sense of humor. And some of the flipping backstory we should have gotten in TFA.
3) Take it down a notch with the caps lock, okay? You're not Daddy Warpig, and even he's overdoing it.
Sorry, I did not mean to take this long to reply, just got busy trying out a new video review system and some other things. Also my browser was having problems with blogger but I think I've got it solved now.
Delete1) In your ranting, you seemed to ignore that I was pissed off with most of the BS that you already mentioned. So we mostly agree there. Though I'll remind you that Attack of the Clones had one good actor, this one had three ... four if you grant that Poe did the best he did with what he was given.
Oops, that was my bad, I think I reached your rating and went into shock. But I fight you on AotC only having 1 actor. Ewan, Sir Lee, and Ian are legitimate greats.
2) Yes, and the Empire Strikes back was a giant chase movie. [Eye roll]
Except things still happened. Just objectively an ally is lost and gained and one of the protagonists is gravely injured physically and morally. 3 new characters are introduced. In real terms what changes from end of TFA to end of TLJ? Luke dies? He was never around in TLJ and did little to nothing when he was. Admiral Holdo died? Same. Snoke died? We barely saw him - from the audience's point of view Hux & Kylo were the ones running the First Order anyway. Resistance loses some ships? We never saw those ships in use in TFA so - again from the audience's point of view - nothing changed. Jump straight from #7 to #9 and all you'd have to put in the text crawl is "Luke & Snoke died" the audience doesn't need to know anything else. What would you need to put in the text crawl of RotJ to have the audience skip over ESB? A small book.
Actually, I liked this for the character that this had that the first one lacked. As in this one had any character. Period. Also, some nice lightsaber fights. And a sense of humor. And some of the flipping backstory we should have gotten in TFA.
You mean a backstory? lol ;) And 1 lightsaber fight? (ok, we could get into real nerdy quibbles over whether the last fight is a lightsaber fight or not) I'll admit I liked a first viewing of the throne room battle - even if it made no sense storywise. I disagree about the character but will grant you could have a fair point about that.
AND, in case you think I'm just being critical, I did do a version of the movie before the movie.
3) Take it down a notch with the caps lock, okay? You're not Daddy Warpig, and even he's overdoing it.
Hey I do it when I'm in a rush and can't properly tag up emphasis (bold/italics).